Lets look at some some pictures and some info about them..
First two confirmed real pictures. ( no BSG watermark )
Now lets look at a few that are being sold at BSG. These will have the BSG watermark.
Now remember that the "LCD" is a rare limited release and there are more being sold on BSG that Callaway admits to ever being made.
Notice something strange with the BSG watermark BSG special Callaway TOUR LCG FT-5 ?
Maybe a few more pictures will help...
Now a few more from the BSG connection. Why the different color ? Why do they look like they were painted and the letters are crooked ?
If you have questions about this, and I am sure many will...
Just contact Callaway golf and ask.
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Callaway Golf Company
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Carlsbad, CA 92008-7328
U.S. Customer Service
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800-588-9836
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41 comments:
This is just so wrong. Callaway golf must know what BigStealer is doing and yet they do nothing.
This has to hurt callaway golfs sales.
I for one am calling for a Boycott of all Callaway Golf products until they do something about the "sticker bandits" and the fake FT-5's that are being sold on BSG
Also, on the BSG ones, why is the orange dot bigger than the white dots, whereas on my FT-5 and every other one I've seen, all of the dots are the same size????
why are some dots and some square???
Why in the last picture of several (4?) drivers they looked somewhat worn? Lot's of steel wool like swirl marks on the sole of the clubs
The swirl marks are custom milling from the special Arby's horsey sauce. It's sort of like the Big Montana treatment, except it allows for precise exact weighting.
funnt just looked up BigStealer's GHin #. I too can be a + Handicap entering my own scores. Don't believe it until I see a few tournament scores...How can you not play in 1 tournament?
He will never play in a tournament...too busy testing EVERYTHING so that they can identify only the BEST product for his customers.
Funny how the best in Callaway, Ozik and Adams. Seems like they have a source there.
Not much TM lately, source must have dried up.
Of course, if a new source springs up, I am sure it will be "simply" the best of the best.
That's because Jose went to WINN...
i can't wait for the tour issue winn grips
BSG logo Winn Grips in Candy Lime for $22/ea shipped ONLY with USPS.
the posts are as follows:
sooner or later they will find the best driver/shaft combo there is,
then..guess what?
Robo, Allan, and a bunch if fans of big liars guy will say, "paypal ready", "I want to try it" etc, by posting positive things about such a nich combos.
I feel bad for Derek, out of school going to work for Todd. an enterprise such as this won't last long, hopefully Derek has his resume updated...
wedge grinds anyone?
BSG hilarious loads of monkeys following a gorrilla
The funny thing is when talking to Todd, Derek, and now Todd's new minnion "Hossnmoss" about the LCG, they all say that they won't sell it to somebody whom it won't fit, but there are "LCG's" for sale because the club did not fit their game. I wonder who sold them this club in the first place.
Another thing that is funny, if you ever look Derek's wedge grinds, every single one of them is the same. They are all a little bit of heel relief, toe relief, and a slight bounce reduction. Every single wedge is the same, so I don't understand why everybody claims to be so happy about their "unique" grind when everybody else that bought from his has the same exact grind.
It still boggles my mind, that supposedly well educated, upper class folks buy into this horseshit.
I realize that more than half of the accolades praised on those 2 fucktards are BS, but there are still those fucking real idiots, with their BS vanity handicaps, that would drop to their knees and give a little cone to them chiselers...too.fucking.amazing
any updates? there MUST be some sort of new scam these two clowns are scheming
I haven't logged in to BSG for about two and a half weeks. Logged in today to see the same threads being bumped again and again.
Matrix this...Callaway "Tour" that....
Some of the posts are several months old and are just a back and forth b/w Allamricn, Todd and DTown.
Nothing like bumping the posts of the stuff you are pushing every other day w/ inane comments that really don't add anything.
BSG = hucksters. They've found a niche market. You say "exclusive" or "limited" enough, and charge out the ass for something and dumbasses with more money than sense will eat it up.
And all so they can be douchebags and brag about how expensive and "rare" their fucking driver (or whatever) is.
ahhhhh bumped post from 6 months old and I cant even fucking look at shit on Ebay b/c they take up the whole fucking website........Ebay is now a BSG blog, still see those bad ass 120 dollar hibore's hanging around LMFAO........Todd and his circle jerk need a real job, thank God im going to Vegas shortly and playing Dragon Ridge, cant wait to see this dumbfuck in person!
haha, you're gonna see his "+3" handicap but suffers from a "wild hook"
I've played with Shorthitter. He is a bold face liar about his handicap. He didn't break 90 and I've talked with 4 other people who have played with him and said he didn't break 90. He doesn't play tournaments because he would be exposed for the fraud that he is. Anybody can say they are a plus 3. He is living proof. He doesn't swing like or even begin to have the talent of a plus 3. He will never be a plus 3. Besides lack of talent, he has no shot making skills other than swinging as hard as he can at every shot, including his 60 degree wedge. All he is interested in his hitting the ball as far as he can, which by the way is around 280. That is confirmed with others. He didn't have a bad day with me. He probably had an average day. What an absolute joke. Shorthitter I challenge you to enter into tournament golf, oh what is your excuse, I don't have the time, my back hurts,I am working on my swing. You have a plus 3 handicap when it comes to deceiving people and ripping people off. Your real handicap is maybe around a 12. That is on a easy wide open course. You can putt, I'll give you that, but the rest of your game is a joke. If you played a tight demanding course, you wouldn't break 90. So what does that put your handicap, oh yeah, a plus 3!!!!!! YOU Todd do NOT have game. If you do, you could silence this post by playing in at least 5 tournaments and let the world see who you really are!!!!!!!!
Always interested to hear comments of those who have met these guys in person and even more interested in hearing if they can actually play.
The "higher that thou" attitude is entertaining at times. Problem is that people are not allowed to call them on their crap.
Even more entertaining are the posts where they are "humble" about the praise they get from other insiders. Sometimes both attitudes appear in the same 15 times bumped thread.
They are doing some backpeddling today w/ some X-Tour irons some dude bought for $3,000 plus and have chrome cracking issues from being bent.
Bighitter is trying to drive the now locked post to the bottom by bumping 1-2 week old Ozik this, Adams that, backslapping posts.
Also seems like Miraflor is back in the mix thanking them for some clubs he got. If the OEM's read this drivel and hear that Miraflor is going to play clubs that depend on what OEM he is playing with, I wouldn't send him any business for being such a brown-noser. Play w/ whatever works (and you would think if he is so well respected, it would be his own designs) and if an OEM has an issue, so be it, challenge them to build something better....
Here is D-Clowns rebuttal to the guy that bought the set of irons Dclown butchered. Quite the post this one turned into, eh? crazy.gif lol.gif Let me first apologize to EDOE and anyone else involved. Yes, I was the one who built the irons. OF COURSE I wouldn't have sent the irons to EDOE if I had noticed them in this condition prior to shipping. The bottom line, regardless of any excuses I can make, is that the irons were not delivered perfectly and we will of course do everything in our power to correct any issues and/or issue a full refund if that is the direction the buyer would like to go.
With that said, I would like to go through a little bit about our iron building process and explain how, while ENTIRELY possible I did miss all 4 flaws prior to shipping, it's highly unlikely this would have occurred.
-The irons are bent for loft/lie in the original plastic (assuming they don't have to be heated) before any other building step is performed. It is the first thing that I do. In this particular case, EDOE requested his set to be built off a 45* PW where the true loft when I put the PW into the bending machine was 49* as measured. Normally no problems going 4* on an Endo forging. Most irons needed to be bent 3-4* strong. I have never seen a satin finished iron spider before nor have I seen a forging crack. Black irons/wedges, yes, they can spider on the finish. Cast irons, I have certainly broken my fair share over the years.
-The irons are then prepared for shafts, measured, cut, gripped, glued, cured, swingweighted (The X-Tours are swingweighted after building with the cavity badges), ferrules turned down, and cleaned up. During these 9 processes I am working with the irons closely and hopefully noticing flaws like the ones in the photos. I have built 4-5 sets of X-Tour T-grind for customers with no issues whatsoever and I assumed when these irons were shipped that they would be perfect as well. Obviously, I did not notice any of these flaws prior to shipping as I am very meticulous about my build quality and would have assumed I would have seen ONE of them...however apparently I did not, for that I apologize.
One thing I have to admit that I'm quite confused about is a post EDOE made two days ago regarding his new irons:
QUOTE(EDOE @ Oct 23 2007, 11:59 AM) *
WAY, WAY , WAY TO PRETTY TO HIT - ALSO SOME OF THE BEST CLUBMAKING I HAVE EVER SEEN. JAMBOY SHOULD HAVE CONSULTED DEREK BEFORE MAKING THOSE MIZZY'S AND SELLING THEM ON THE BST doh.gif
ERIC
The irons were delivered on October 19th at 9am. He made this post 4 days after receiving the irons, I assume after he had a chance to check them all out. Now, 2 days later and almost a week after delivery, these issues? I wish that these issues would have been pointed out sooner and he had not complimented me on my clubmaking skills if I screwed up this bad! lol.gif
QUOTE(Scotty_D @ Oct 25 2007, 05:07 PM) *
Knowing BSG's reputation, I am sure they will do everything they can to make sure you are happy. I have never had any problems with clubs from them but I know if something is in question they will do everything they can to make it right. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
BTW to what specs did you have them bent?
I can't see a dent being that far from the hosel unless they had to be bent to an extreme angle, or these are just a pain to bend. However I know the endo forging is super soft, have you hit the clubs yet?
Of course we would. Full refund will be issued or whatever the purchaser wants. On a set of irons like this, we would obviously do everything in our power to make the situation right. I think some confusion arose this afternoon when EDOE thought that the entire moderation team were employees of BSG when in fact myself, Bighitter, and Hossonmoss are the only ones that physically work for the company. The rest of the guys (Allamricn, commoditybroker, choppy, etc.) are volunteers from various states across the country that donate their time helping a site that they love. I thought that the forum structure was common knowledge to most however it seems I was wrong. I believe that EDOE DID think he was contacting BSG directly by PMing some of the mods that were online, unfortunately the only 3 people that could actually help him were out testing some of the new Callaway product this afternoon. We were away from our computers for roughly 5 hours, and would certainly have responded to his PM when we returned had he been patient enough to wait that time period.
I understand the urgency of the situation, that he was very unhappy and wanted to rectify everything, however please understand we are not online 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. wink.gif Most PMs get answered within hours of sending. At most major businesses, if you send a customer service email you get an automated response telling you that your request has been received and you should expect a response within 24-48 hours. We think we do pretty well with our lead times. wink.gif
With that said, EDOE is actually going to be in Vegas tomorrow afternoon (great timing!) and I'll be meeting him as soon as he touches the ground to inspect the irons in person and take them back for a full refund if that's what he wants to do.
BSG has a sterling reputation of providing high quality clubs with superior craftsmanship to our discerning buyers. Obviously, something seriously wrong slipped through the cracks here. Is this the norm? Absolutely not. I have many happy customers who I'm sure would vouch for our worksmanship but I don't think that's necessary here. We'll do everything in our power to make sure EDOE is happy with his purchase and hopefully, nothing like this will happen in the future. My apologies to everyone involved once again...and sorry for getting everyone worked up on a full moon. wink.gif blush.gif
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·Derek
If you seen the pics of the work. You would laugh. The lack of quality of work is so blatant, it is pathetic.
Also the line of the year is D saying that BSG has a sterling reputation. Only to those who are blind and gulible.
Granted Dclown has no formal training,wouldn't you think after all the club work he has done, he would finally start doing quality work. I mean he actually damaged the face of the head from just trying to bend the loft. I've seen enough of his work to know that Derek is irresponsible and uneducated in his craft.Do your self a favor, don't buy anything from BSG that they have worked on. Derek is incompitent. Why pay premium prices for someone who can't even do average work??? If you buy from BSG, be prepared to spend money on repairing D clown the butcher's work.
Some of the oems know what he is doing but turn a blind eye because he is promoting their product. Some are on the payroll. I know this for a fact. Money talks. Pighitter is a strewd business man. I'll give him that. The only thing he cares about is his pocketbook, not the truth or anyone else.
Hey Pighitter I challenge you to post your swing on your website. You won't because then you would be exposed for the fraud that you are. You are nothing short of a deceitful low life preying on gulible people. i know you can sleep at night because you have no soul. Just remember when you are on your death bed, you get to reflect back at your life and all the people you screwed. Gives you something to look forward to! Oh yeah, don't carry any heavy clothing with you, where you are going, it is really, really hot!
Shorthitter,
I hope you read these comments. You are nothing less than a joke. The laugh is on the members of yor site who fall for your lies and deception. How does it feel to lie about everything in your life, I mean everything. I guess it is one way to live life. Enjoy your spineless journey!
the lime green ozik shafts- i can go to matrix and order 200+ shafts have them painted orange and than charge $700 for a $300 golf shaft and than call it a TOUR only shaft to justify the charge. i have taken a few lime greens out because their so called fitting genous over the puts everone in x stioff flex's.. you can hit it buddy- it is a dog and pony show over there and one must be aware.
Here is a doozy I found a while back in a thread about Vijay Singh acting (at least to the original poster) like an ass. It was locked up rather quickly, but Bighitter actually tried to draw a parallel between Singh's status as a top echelon professional and his status in the golf equipment business...
QUOTE(DTown3011 @ Sep 28 2007, 07:23 AM)
Maybe Vijay just doesn't feel like talking golf 24/7 and wanted to kick back and relax after the course...I know I am like that a lot, I'm sure many wives have also felt the same wrath.
That said, I don't see how this thread does anyone any good. If it were newsworthy or verifiable that would be fine, but the only way this thread can do is down...so I'm going to lock it.
Funny, I just had the SAME conversation about 10 min ago. I feel like no matter what course I go to or where I go, I can't get away from work. Every time you go to the course to just decompress and FORGET about work there is someone who wants to hijack you and discuss the site or what products are coming etc.....Nobody EVER just lets you forget about work and relax. It's sometimes hard not to say "hey, I'm here to relax, I don't want to discuss work". Unfortunately golf IS work for Tour players, and I'm sure they, like all of us, don't want to talk about work every minute of every day.
Todd
This dude and his side-kicks are so full of themselves it is borderline delusional. There are maybe 40,000 registered members, of which, maybe 300 are actually active and he gets pestered when he wants to go play golf? Next thing you know the paparazzi are going to be stalking him and the tour shop...errr....garage....
Looks like they are back to posting pictures of their "rides". BH is saying his next one is going to be a Mercedes SL65...
Oh and you can get a free BSG sticker if you want between now and Christmas....looks like they are going fast.
From the suck ass files:
"As seen here and on many BSG member rides. We are giving away decals through Christmas.
1) Limit TWO per person.
2) Just pay $6 to ship continental US. Decal is free.
3) Paypal to bighitter@bombsquadgolf.com
4) The only deal is you post a picture of your car with the decals on it. ;)
Todd
Replies beyond the average "paypal sent" lemmings:
"PAYPAL on its way, you guys are awesome"
"Just wanted to say, make sure you say thanks guys, they didnt have to give these away at all just a good will gesture and i think some people need to show some more appreciation!"
"Todd that Land Rover Sport is so sick! wow.gif In a good way."
Yeah, really, thanks a ton Toad for overcharging me for some hideously fugly sticker that advertises to the whole world that "I Love The Cock."
Free fucking advertisement for these idiots, overcharging on the shipping of a $.50 decal, and you need to slob the nob to get it? Unreal.
$6 shipping for a "free" decal?
That is not "free"....
I talked with a exfriend and close insider to Todd. This source is very reliable. WHen he was on bombsquad he was one of Todds top guys. He told me Todd has 17 alias anmes on BSG. So keep in mind if someone is pushing an Adams or Matrix product, it maybe just Todd with a wig on! He reminds me of one of those street hustlers.
I talked with a exfriend and close insider to Todd. This source is very reliable. WHen he was on bombsquad he was one of Todds top guys. He told me Todd has 17 alias anmes on BSG. So keep in mind if someone is pushing an Adams or Matrix product, it maybe just Todd with a wig on! He reminds me of one of those street hustlers.
If you ever run into "Mad Max" or "Jaylasvegas" ask them about Todd. In fact ask Mad Max how he used to alter clubs for Todd to make them look tour. Max didn't realize what he was doing until after the fact. Oops, well now Todd can do this himself. Ask Jay what a crook Todd is or better yet go to Golfdiscussions.com and do a history search on Jay's posts. You won't believe the stuff about Todd. Do yourself a favor, buy from reputable sources and honest people.
I'm sure he has probably hung out in van or 2. But I find it extremely hard to believe, and downright laughable, that even a van down by the river would let them build anything, let alone a tour van.
I think what's lost on most people is that we only TALK about the products that test well and that we intend to carry. When something is not very good in testing, we don't openly beat it up and bash on it. We just don't talk about it or stock it. I feel that's the respectful way of handling things, not jumping on and bashing it. Now if you guys ask us very specific questions about things, we try to answer honestly, which people like to complain about too. It's a no win sometimes. You can assume that if we don't participate in discussions about a product that it isn't something we are interested in carrying or that it faired poorly in player testing relative to the parameters we find acceptable on a number of levels. Just because we don't choose to BASH products doesn't mean we haven't tested them. It means we have the decency to try not to offend those companies or the people who like the products. Now ask me a DIRECT question, and I will try to answer honestly, no matter if you like the answer or not.
So it really comes down to this, when we choose to carry a product and actively discuss it, it's because it has tested well, we believe in the product, and we are excited about the quality and performance. We discuss our products with passion because we KNOW how good they are and that they are the products that have PROVEN to be the pinnacle of quality and performance. We simply do not discuss products that are sub-par in testing. It's called professional courtesy and handling things with class. BSG is not about stocking mediocre product. We are about carrying EXCEPTIONAL products, and we enjoy bringing the merits of said products to the attention of those who are performance oriented.
Todd
This is an absolute gem from Toad….
They only talk about things they can get kickbacks on and are sold to them out the back door.
They don’t talk about it because they can’t get it to stock it.
It “faired poorly in player testing” because they either didn’t test it or they can’t get the product.
Ask him a direct question about a product he can’t get and he will either ridicule you, delete the question, or post some two paragraph spin and outright lies like the above drivel.
“Decency and professional courtesy and handling things with class” It is almost delusional at times.
I know certain OEM’s like to use these guys as free advertising, but I am sure they are better, more legitimate ways of getting your product out there and get the buzz of the ‘net. I am wary of TM, Callaway, Matix and Adams just because of their unofficial association with BSG.
I've seen some pathetic, whiny-ass shit on the Internet, but you've set a new standard. Jesus. Did Todd and Derek kill your dog or something? Fucking pathetic.
Here is the truth:
BSG caters to people that believe that spending more equals better.
The rhetoric and supporting information are obviously slanted, but they are a business. The fallacy is that they convince people they actually care about your individual golf game and performance. They care about your game and performance as long as it is making them money.
This is same belief of any business. What most people don't like is the artifical hype that BSG creates to make a sale. I don't know anyone at BSG personally, but they do provide a service to those who desire it. In some ways, the consumer is at fault for believing the propaganda.
Use BSG as a informational resource, but think twice before spending money.
"What most people don't like is the artifical hype that BSG creates to make a sale."
Well said.
It also should be added that people don't like the "holier than thou" attitude that they post with. They come across as all knowing and don't take kindly to anyone that will question or disagree with them. They use borderline lies and a ton of spin talk to sell the products they can get ahold of and the same to stomp out interest in products that can't get.
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